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******* TO THE FACE I KNOW ********
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Mar 13, 2007 6:10 am
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I see the candle
that beam of golden yellow
those eyes that stare at me
It's raining everywhere.
cant you hear it?
those every leaves of green and purple dancing
the sky tears off his darkest gown
his heart is a thunder
He has the face of every man
with his pale smile and deepest eyes
he said " it is your savannah"
here we walk hand in hand
here we merge into being one.
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I look at the dreams that never lose your eyes
what is there when you wake up?
on your eye lashes;
The snow
A pinch of a deepest desert
a handful of stars
The whole moon....
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I conclude where my wisdom says" she is the light"
I see everything in those pair of the world.
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Honey,
YOU are the real
The real of my universe
The real of every moment
The real of my rustic desires
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I owe you every drop of my sweat that make me feel like I am in a rain.
Don't you remember us watching those lanterns making their dawns in every dusk?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I am in rain.
of my own clouds
of my own desert or forest
of my own solitude...
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...BECAUSE....
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Mar 9, 2007 4:50 am
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.......BECAUSE THE REAL FISHERMAN WILL THROW OUT THE SMALL FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT......
.......BECAUSE THE REAL FISHERMAN WILL THROW OUT THE SMALL FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT......
.......BECAUSE THE REAL FISHERMAN WILL THROW OUT THE SMALL FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT......
.......BECAUSE THE REAL FISHERMAN WILL THROW OUT THE SMALL FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT......
.......BECAUSE THE REAL FISHERMAN WILL THROW OUT THE SMALL FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT......
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:) :) :)THANKS :) :) :)
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Mar 3, 2007 11:33 pm
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Oh my love for the first time in my life,
My eyes are wide open,
Oh my lover for the first time in my life,
My eyes can see,
I see the wind,
Oh I see the trees,
Everything is clear in my heart,
I see the clouds,
Oh I see the sky,
Everything is clear in our world,
Oh my love for the first time in my life,
My mind is wide open,
oh my lover for the first time in my life,
My mind can feel,
I feel the sorrow,
Oh I feel dreams,
Everything is clear in my heart,
Everything is clear in our world,
I feel the life,
Oh I feel love.
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where dreams merge into reality
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Mar 2, 2007 6:23 am
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May be it's a forest;
where no one can enter...
But I build a small castle on a branch
of a mightiest tree
surrounded by flowers,mist and my dreams.
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It might be a bit early but I reckon this should be the team
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Feb 23, 2007 12:55 pm
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I LOVE SMALL BLOGS LIKE THIS
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 14:59
It might be a bit early but I reckon this should be the team:
1. Billy Slater
2. Karmichael Hunt
3. Shaun Berrigan
4. Willie Tonga
5. Matt Sing
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Dane Carlaw
12. Michael Crocker
13. Tonnie Carroll
14. Ashley Harrison
15. Ben Ross
16. Petero Civoneceva
17. Matt Bowen
Comments?
Captain Green
23-02-2005, 15:11
Much better Queensland team. I'd even consider leaving out sing, putting Bowen in the starting side, and if b)PJ's form is good, put him on the bench. Or the Cowboys hooker, he is class.
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:13
Sing has retired from rep football.
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 15:15
Sing has retired from rep football.
Ok take out Sing, put Bowen in at 5 and put PJ Marsh on the bench.
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:18
Ok take out Sing, put Bowen in at 5 and put PJ Marsh on the bench.
You don't like the Cowboys? they do have a team with some good players.
And Bowen is not a winger.
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 15:22
You don't like the Cowboys? they do have a team with some good players.
And Bowen is not a winger.
How can you not like the cowboys? i put o'donnell and morrison in the nsw team, even though morrison isn't one anymore. where would you put bowen?
Captain Green
23-02-2005, 15:26
change of heart  thanks to retread
Bowen at fullback, slater and hunt on wings (maybe the bronco's winger tupou if he's eligible and plays well). Tonga and Hannay in the centres.
Dragonheart
23-02-2005, 15:29
Tate and the goal kicking centre (can't believe I forgot his name) from the Cowboys more than likely in the centres before Berrigan. Berrigan might be a better prospect on the bench, to cover hooker as well as halves/centre. I wouldn't pick Carlaw at all. And Flannery will be there somewhere
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:30
How can you not like the cowboys? i put o'donnell and morrison in the nsw team, even though morrison isn't one anymore. where would you put bowen?
I would leave Bowen on the bench, better value there. Fill in at hooker, fullback or in the halves.
Scott Donald or Ty Williams on the wing.
And I reckon Carl Webb will make the side this year, as will Bowman and possibly Thurston and Payne.
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:31
Tate and the goal kicking centre (can't believe I forgot his name) from the Cowboys more than likely in the centres before Berrigan. Berrigan might be a better prospect on the bench, to cover hooker as well as halves/centre. I wouldn't pick Carlaw at all. And Flannery will be there somewhere
Josh Hannay
Dragonheart
23-02-2005, 15:34
Josh Hannay
Thanx mate....I bet I remember his name after the Dairy Farmers clash
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:39
Thanx mate....I bet I remember his name after the Dairy Farmers clash
Yes, I'm sure you will.
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 15:46
change of heart thanks to retread
Bowen at fullback, slater and hunt on wings (maybe the bronco's winger tupou if he's eligible and plays well). Tonga and Hannay in the centres.
I think Tupou is a kiwi, that doesn't seem to stop them from playing for queensland these days though.
Okay so let's say we get rid of Berrigan and put in Hannay instead, whose gonna go to make way for Donald and Ty Williams?
I Hate NSW
23-02-2005, 15:54
Okay so let's say we get rid of Berrigan and put in Hannay instead, whose gonna go to make way for Donald and Ty Williams?
Well someone has to take Matty Sing's spot.
janus
23-02-2005, 16:03
1. Slater; 2. Hunt; 3. Tate; 4. Tonga; 5. Hegarty; 6. Lockyer; 7. Prince; 8. Webcke; 9. Smith; 10. Price; 11. Thorn; 12. Carlaw; 13. Norton... 14. Ross; 15. Civoniceva; 16. Marsh; 17. Crocker
Pat Bateman
23-02-2005, 16:22
1. Bowen
2. Slater
3. Tonga
4. Berrigan
5. Tate
6. Lockyer
7. Prince
8. Webke
9. Smith
10. Tronc
11. Petero
12. Crocker
13. J Smith
14. Price
15. Carrol
16. Harrisson
17. Hunt
My guess for the first SOO without a ball being kicked in 2005. Should the team lose though i can see players such as Webb, Ross, Bowman, Hannay and possibly Seymore (assuming he is playing well and Prince plays bad) being in contention.
MarkZ
23-02-2005, 16:32
I think there might be some upset Cowboys players if that team got picked, Especially if they were being put out by Jason Smith, I mean Norton, Webb etc.
They used to get more in the side when they were wooden spooners.
Cristo
23-02-2005, 16:34
Bowen should be fullback with Slater on the wing and I doubt we'll ever see Wesser or Schif  in a queensland jersey again.
Pat Bateman
23-02-2005, 16:42
I think there might be some upset Cowboys players if that team got picked, Especially if they were being put out by Jason Smith, I mean Norton, Webb etc.
They used to get more in the side when they were wooden spooners.
I agree, there would be some upset Cowboys but like i said, that is a team without a ball even being kicked so who knows what form will bring.
I do think Tronc is certain to get a start if he plays like he ended last season. Reasons for for picking J Smith is that he was a favourite with the selectors before he left and its still the same selectors. NSW plan will obviously be to shut down Lockyer, if they do they will win with no offence to Prince. I feel if Smith plays well for Canberra, the selectors will pick him to take pressure off Lockyer.
I did say that if Qld lost the first game certain players will come into contention and that will be the likes of Webb, Norton, Hannay, Bowman etc.
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 16:43
Bowen should be fullback with Slater on the wing and I doubt we'll ever see Wesser or Schif in a queensland jersey again.
Yes that does seem to be a common theme coming through Cristo, no-one until now have even mentioned Wesser and Schifcovske.
magpie_man
23-02-2005, 16:46
I agree, there would be some upset Cowboys but like i said, that is a team without a ball even being kicked so who knows what form will bring.
I do think Tronc is certain to get a start if he plays like he ended last season. Reasons for for picking J Smith is that he was a favourite with the selectors before he left and its still the same selectors. NSW plan will obviously be to shut down Lockyer, if they do they will win with no offence to Prince. I feel if Smith plays well for Canberra, the selectors will pick him to take pressure off Lockyer.
I did say that if Qld lost the first game certain players will come into contention and that will be the likes of Webb, Norton, Hannay, Bowman etc.
I reckon they'll only call up Smith if they get flogged in the first game, similar to how they brought in Langer a coupla years ago.
Pat Bateman
23-02-2005, 16:48
Yes that does seem to be a common theme coming through Cristo, no-one until now have even mentioned Wesser and Schifcovske.
Qld have a wealth of fullback talent, even with Lockyer moving to 5/8th and Brent Webb becoming a kiwi. Wesser did not have the same season last year as he did in 2003 whereas Slater, Bowen and Hunt were in great form. Its hard to find a spot for all 4 possible fullbacks even ignoring Shicofske? and Wesser does not offer the utility value of Bowen, Slater or Hunt.
Who knows though, if he finds his 2003 form and the other 3 are struggling he could easily be the number 1 but picking a side today i can't justify him.
HDP
23-02-2005, 16:50
1. Slater
2. Hunt
3. Berrigan
4. Tonga
5. T. Williams
6. Lockeyer
7. Prince
8. Webke
9. S. Walker
10. K. Webb
11. Crocker
12. Civonaceva
13. Harrison
14. Ross
15. Tronc
16. Bowen
17. Carrol
julian87
23-02-2005, 16:55
I would have Schifcofske as fullback with Slater and Tate on the wings, Bowen off the bench.
Pat Bateman
23-02-2005, 16:55
I reckon they'll only call up Smith if they get flogged in the first game, similar to how they brought in Langer a coupla years ago.
Could be a good call.
I still think he could be there to start with but would not be surprised to see your scenario happen.
Qld seem to have a good pool of players to choose from who are all on equal footing, (eg Crocker, Carlaw, Carroll, Harrison, Norton, Thorn, Flannery just for back row) so should they easily lose the first game i would not be surprised to see half a dozen changes to the side.
El Chino Fatman
23-02-2005, 18:10
It might be a bit early but I reckon this should be the team:
1. Billy Slater
2. Karmichael Hunt
3. Shaun Berrigan
4. Willie Tonga
5. Matt Sing
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Dane Carlaw
12. Michael Crocker
13. Tonnie Carroll
14. Ashley Harrison
15. Ben Ross
16. Petero Civoneceva
17. Matt Bowen
Comments?
I really don't like playing players out of position, but with several quality fullbacks I guess we don't have a choice.
1) Hunt
2) Slater
3) Tonga
4) Hannay
5) Tate
6) Lockyer
7) Prince
 Price
9) Cameron Smith
10) Webcke
11) Crocker
12) Civinoceiva
13) Harrison
14) Bowen
15) Bowman
16) Tronc or Webb (on form)
17) Flannery
Worth Considering:
Chris Walker - he's got the winning attitude, the touch or arrogance and blinding speed, how can we continue to ignore him?
Brad Thorn - let's not rush the guy back too quickly, he wasn't that flash first time round.PJ Marsh - been out a long time, one step at a time.
Smith - only if we have too in the interests of winning.
Hanney - definately if injuries play a part.
HDP
23-02-2005, 18:21
I really don't like playing players out of position, but with several quality fullbacks I guess we don't have a choice.
1) Hunt
2) Slater
3) Tonga
4) Hannay
5) Tate
6) Lockyer
7) Prince
Price
9) Cameron Smith
10) Webcke
11) Crocker
12) Civinoceiva
13) Harrison
14) Bowen
15) Bowman
16) Tronc or Webb (on form)
17) Flannery
Worth Considering:
Chris Walker - he's got the winning attitude, the touch or arrogance and blinding speed, how can we continue to ignore him?
Brad Thorn - let's not rush the guy back too quickly, he wasn't that flash first time round.PJ Marsh - been out a long time, one step at a time.
Smith - only if we have too in the interests of winning.
Hanney - definately if injuries play a part.One specialist forward on the bench?
El Chino Fatman
23-02-2005, 18:43
I was counting Flannery as secondrow, lock cover primarily.
Bondi_Rooster
24-02-2005, 00:45
:lol: Tell me I did not see Shane Walker's name in the QLD team ahead of Cameron Smith! :lol:
1. Matt Bowen
2. Brent Tate
3. Shaun Berrigan
4. Willie Tonga
5. Billy Slater
6. Darren Lockyer (c)
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Ben Ross
11. Petero Civoneceva
12. Steve Price
13. Ashley Harrison
14. Chris Flannery
15. Travis Norton
16. Mick Crocker
17. Shane Tronc
HDP
24-02-2005, 07:09
Chris Walker and Brad Thorn would have to be included in the bolters.
Mattp
24-02-2005, 08:34
I wouldn't put hunt on the wing myself, unless he used to be a winger. I can just see a justin hodges debut if he were to be played there.
gilly
24-02-2005, 10:42
1. Matt Bowen
2. Willie Tonga
3. Brent Tate
4. Paul Bowman
5. Shannon Hegarty
6. Darren Lockyer (c)
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webke (vc)
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Petero Civoniceva
12. Brad Thorn
13. Tonie Carrol
14. Shane Tronc
15. Ben Ross
16. Neville Costigan
17. Sean Berrigan
nathan
24-02-2005, 13:18
Chris Walker and Brad Thorn would have to be included in the bolters.
If Queensland want to lose Chris Walker would be a great option.
HDP
24-02-2005, 17:56
If Queensland want to lose Chris Walker would be a great option.Bsased on last year, yes, but on potential, if he's in form he's right up there.
Mattp
24-02-2005, 19:05
wayne bennet knows how to use chris walker, ricky stuart doesnt. Whether or not hagan will is yet to be known.
Guvner
25-02-2005, 14:57
1. K.Hunt
2. B.Slater
3. S.Berrigan
4. W.Tonga
5. B.Tate
6. D.Lockyer
7. S.Prince
8. S.Webcke
9. C.Smith
10. B.Ross
11. M.Crocker
12. S.Price
13. A.Harrison
14. M.Bowen
15. P.Civoneceva
16. T.Carroll
17. B.Thorn
Donald and Hannay unlucky as well as Carlaw.
Cozroy
25-02-2005, 16:23
A bolter for NSW may be Ben Creagh.
nathan
25-02-2005, 16:58
Bsased on last year, yes, but on potential, if he's in form he's right up there.
Not just last year. Did you see any of his games he played for Souths? Or the 2003 GF? He is an overrted piece of **** who lived off Fittler.
HDP
25-02-2005, 17:03
Not just last year. Did you see any of his games he played for Souths? Or the 2003 GF? He is an overrted piece of **** who lived off Fittler.So what you're essentially saying is that any Joe of the street could score tries of Fittler?:roll: Prince and Lockyer are quality halves and are just as capable of using a winger for what they're there for- scoring tries. He has also learned appropriate times to come in off the wing looking for opportunity and has caused damage doing so.
El Chino Fatman
25-02-2005, 17:11
A bolter for NSW may be Ben Creagh. Does anybody on this threat look like they give a damn about those mongols in the sky blue jerseys?
El Chino Fatman
25-02-2005, 17:14
Not just last year. Did you see any of his games he played for Souths? Or the 2003 GF? He is an overrted piece of **** who lived off Fittler.
Walker has scored tries for QLD against NSW and has played in winning QLD teams, you don't do that if you are an overrated piece of whatever. :mad:
HDP
25-02-2005, 17:53
Does anybody on this threat look like they give a damn about those mongols in the sky blue jerseys?Not unless they're being pryed off the front of Carl Webb's Jersey.
bula
27-02-2005, 13:41
1.Rhyss Wesser
2. Billy Slater
3.Stephen Bell:thumbs:
4.Willie Tonga
5.Shannon Heggarty
6.Darren Lockyer
7.Scott Prince
8.Shane Webcke
9.Cameron Smith
10.Steven Price
11.Petero Civonaceva
12.Dane Carlaw
13.Tonie Carroll
14.Matt Bowen
15.Ben Ross
16.Ashley Harrison
17.Kirk Reynoldson
18.Jonathan Thurston / Brent Tate / PJ Marsh
Bondi_Rooster
27-02-2005, 14:37
3.Stephen Bell
Yep, the QLD selectors will ignore Australian players Brent Tate, Shaun Berrigan and a QLD rep in Josh Hannay going with Stephen Bell ahead of the 3 proven performers. :lol: I give you credit for pushing your players barrow though...
gilly
27-02-2005, 15:14
1. K.Hunt
2. B.Slater
3. S.Berrigan
4. W.Tonga
5. B.Tate
6. D.Lockyer
7. S.Prince
8. S.Webcke
9. C.Smith
10. B.Ross
11. M.Crocker
12. S.Price
13. A.Harrison
14. M.Bowen
15. P.Civoneceva
16. T.Carroll
17. B.Thorn
Donald and Hannay unlucky as well as Carlaw.
That is one of the worst teams i have seen thus far
Undertaker
27-02-2005, 16:51
1.Gary Belecher
2.Les Kiss
3,Mal Menigina
4.Steve Renouf
5.Mat Rodgers
6.Wally Lewis
7.Allan Langer
13.Billy Moore
12.Wally Fullerton Smith
11.Bob Lindner
10.Sam Backo
9.Pj Marsh
8.Chris Close
Cristo
27-02-2005, 17:09
1.Gary Belecher
2.Les Kiss
3,Mal Menigina
4.Steve Renouf
5.Mat Rodgers
6.Wally Lewis
7.Allan Langer
13.Billy Moore
12.Wally Fullerton Smith
11.Bob Lindner
10.Sam Backo
9.Pj Marsh
8.Chris Close
PJ marsh?? what about steve walters?
Guvner
28-02-2005, 08:22
1. Matt Bowen
2. Willie Tonga
3. Brent Tate
4. Paul Bowman
5. Shannon Hegarty
6. Darren Lockyer (c)
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webke (vc)
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Petero Civoniceva
12. Brad Thorn
13. Tonie Carrol
14. Shane Tronc
15. Ben Ross
16. Neville Costigan
17. Sean Berrigan
With the exception of this one I presume?
gilly
28-02-2005, 11:06
With the exception of this one I presume?
IMO:
OK, you have gotten rid of a problem from last year, and replaced it with a worse one. Wesser and Khunt offer about the same in attack, but Khunt is much much worse at stopping defenders who have made it through the line. Than you failed to name one winger on the wing. Slater was hopeless in defence last year, costing us several tries by either missing simple tackles, or not having faith in his centre and making the stupid error of coming in too early - which lead to a couple of tries. With Slater, IMO it is fullback or nothing. Tate has done alright on the wing before. In the centres you named 2 LEFT centres, to play right and left centre. We all saw berro really struggled to play right centre on the tour, and Tonga is irreplaceable from left position. Then Ben Ross has leap-frogged some brilliant props to make your starting side in the toughest position in the toughest game of this code. Was that selection a gee up? Mick Crocker for some reason does have his fans, but makes a couple of decent tackles in a match, but when he runs the ball he runs about 8m than gets driven back 3, he is useless with ball in hand in representitive football. Steve Price either partners Webke in the front row, or plays off the bench. He is not as mobile as civoniciva and should not be given an oppurtuinty to be a wide running back rower, no matter how great a prop he is. Ashley Harrison, pretty good footballer but he is the best of a bad bunch at his club. I can see him making a 17, but not lock the scrum when players like Carrol, Norton, Reynoldson are available.
So what is your reasoning for mine being a bad team?
Guvner
28-02-2005, 11:37
Well lets see. Matt Bowen at fullback comes with the same hazzards you named for Hunt, only Hunt is going to be a mega star in the game and should improve his defence this year, its unlikely Bowen will. Why would you take the best centre in the game last year in Tonga and stick him on the wing only to pick two lesser quality centres in his place. He is the best centre, pick him there. Tonga and Berrigan was a good enough centre pairing for Australia, why not Queensland? Didnt seem to cause many problems that they were both left centres? You say "Tonga is irreplacable from left position", then why stick him on the wing? Slater learned his lessons from game one, I think you are being a tad harsh there. What has Hegarty done in the past 12 months to warrant selection? Other than struggle to get back into first grade last year after injury in front of Byrne and Walker. Thorn starting? Will take him at least half a season to find his wind and you want to throw him into the fastest 20 mins of footy there is. Carroll is a good solid player, but so is Harrison and he offers an extra ball player to hopefully take some of the heat off Lockyer. Carroll doesnt offer any variety at all but could be good for impact off the bench. Shane Tronc? Half a season of decent footy and he is ready for origin? Not yet. Same goes for Costigan, the guy will be hard pressed to start for the Bronco's and you want him at origin level? You seem to have shown just a hint of bias in some of your selections i think. I dig Paul Bowman, but solid and gutsy are the best ways i can describe him. We need points to beat the blues. I would rather see Hannay in there.
gilly
28-02-2005, 12:55
Well lets see. Matt Bowen at fullback comes with the same hazzards you named for Hunt, only Hunt is going to be a mega star in the game and should improve his defence this year, its unlikely Bowen will.
Why not? He has improved a fair bit each year, don't you remember his tackle on willie mason last year in origin, he made lots of them throughout the year. Hunt will be a superstar in the future, he isnt yet, so why put him in this team?
Why would you take the best centre in the game last year in Tonga and stick him on the wing only to pick two lesser quality centres in his place. He is the best centre, pick him there. Tonga and Berrigan was a good enough centre pairing for Australia, why not Queensland? Didnt seem to cause many problems that they were both left centres? You say "Tonga is irreplacable from left position", then why stick him on the wing?
I would have kept Tonga on the left hand side, and because i think he has the makings of a great winger as well as centre. Great pace, great step and fend, athleticism and i think he would be good under the high ball. Yes Tonga was great for austrlia, berrigan wasn't. He was selected there because we did not take over any right centres. He struggled big time in comparison to his season for brisbane on the left. And it would be a waste to him see him struggle there again, when bowman is a proven performer for QLD on the right side.
Slater learned his lessons from game one, I think you are being a tad harsh there. What has Hegarty done in the past 12 months to warrant selection? Other than struggle to get back into first grade last year after injury in front of Byrne and Walker.
Game one was his best game by far. It was games 2 and 3 where he was pethetic, he just had no faith in his centres and kept coming in leaving an unmarked winger to stroll past wesser. How has he learnt his lesson, he has not played wing since game 3. like i said, fullback or nothing.
Hegarty: Been there done that before. Proven performer, and he is actually a winger. Was only a season ago he was one of the best performers in the origin series and then went on to play for Australia.
Thorn starting? Will take him at least half a season to find his wind and you want to throw him into the fastest 20 mins of footy there is.
Origin starts halfway through the season....I have faith in proven performers for QLD, and he played league a lot longer than he played union, he will have no trouble at all. You named Ben Ross at prop, he has only started a handful of games, he used to coming off the bench and missing the first 20 minutes of an NRL match, how will he handle the heat???
Carroll is a good solid player, but so is Harrison and he offers an extra ball player to hopefully take some of the heat off Lockyer. Carroll doesnt offer any variety at all but could be good for impact off the bench.
I think it is Prince and Smith's job to take some heat off lockyer, and anyway bowen could take this so called heat off him as well. Harrison is hardly a ball player, but i admit he has better hands and feet than Carrol, but with the best player in the world at 6 than why bother? Carrol offers speed, strength and some of the biggest INSPIRATIONAL tackles you will ever see. Harrison offers a high work-rate, and the occasional pass...
Shane Tronc? Half a season of decent footy and he is ready for origin? Not yet. Same goes for Costigan, the guy will be hard pressed to start for the Bronco's and you want him at origin level?
You contradict yourself, you named Karmichael Hunt, who is really just as inexperienced as Tronc, only played a few more games. And trust me, it was more than just decent footy, he went through a stage where he was averaging over 150m a game and sometimes out played Rauhihi. Harrison could not get a start at the broncos either yet you named him. There are many players on the bench for the broncos, that would start at other clubs. Just cause they are on the bench does not mean they are worse than someone who starts for the raiders or the rabbitohs.
You seem to have shown just a hint of bias in some of your selections i think. I dig Paul Bowman, but solid and gutsy are the best ways i can describe him. We need points to beat the blues. I would rather see Hannay in there.
I think you have exaggerated, you yourself like paul bowman, you named matt bowen. I named shane tronc, one selection that you overly disagree with and i am bias????
As for bowman, solid and gutsy? What more could you want. Origin takes guts. how many centres in the competition can defend at hooker for 15 minutes of an origin game and not miss a tackle? How many people on this earth can make 3 tackles with a near broken knee? solid and gutsy, how about reliable, courageous, bone-rattling never miss defence, experienced, football-smart, good hands, leader and a handy attacker??? Hannay had IMO his worst season for the cowboys last year, he had two good games and the rest were all below par. He is the cowboys #2 centre, and Bowman is the #1.
Points to beat the blues? Bowen, Tonga, Tate, Lockyer, Prince in the same backline and you are worried about not scoring enough points.
Guvner
28-02-2005, 13:48
Nice full page post. Geez!! Would back my side over yours and with ease but hey, thats just my opinion. Take a look at the other posts, I dont think to many would agree with the selection of Tronc, Hegarty or Costigan. Yet the players I have selected seem to feature in most sides on here. Lets not forget, it was you who first had a go at my side cheif so dont get all defensive. Tell you what, we can have a sly side bet on which side will be closest to the one selected if you like? Now, I have a job to do GEEZ!!
El Chino Fatman
28-02-2005, 14:45
1.Gary Belecher
2.Les Kiss
3,Mal Menigina
4.Steve Renouf
5.Mat Rodgers
6.Wally Lewis
7.Allan Langer
13.Billy Moore
12.Wally Fullerton Smith
11.Bob Lindner
10.Sam Backo
9.Pj Marsh
8.Chris Close
Not sure when this became a best ever QLD team thread, but I like your way of thinking. :thumbs: Couple of minor changes though.......
1) Belcher
2) Willie Carne
5) Michael Hancock
9) Boxhead
10) Big Artie
Guru
28-02-2005, 17:02
1. Slater
2. Hunt
3. Berrigan
4. Tonga
5. T. Williams
6. Lockeyer
7. Prince
8. Webke
9. S. Walker
10. K. Webb
11. Crocker
12. Civonaceva
13. Harrison
14. Ross
15. Tronc
16. Bowen
17. Carrol
and where does Steve price fit in here?
Soleus
28-02-2005, 17:09
1.Gary Belecher
2.Les Kiss
3,Mal Menigina
4.Steve Renouf
5.Mat Rodgers
6.Wally Lewis
7.Allan Langer
13.Billy Moore
12.Wally Fullerton Smith
11.Bob Lindner
10.Sam Backo
9.Pj Marsh
8.Chris Close
chris close? a prop?
pj Marsh? hooker?
les kiss? wing?
mat rogers? wing?
Billy moore? lock?
Lockyer
Hancock
Miles
Meninga
Boustead
Lewis
Langer
Lindner
Tallis
Gillmeister
Backo
S Walters
Webcke
El Chino Fatman
28-02-2005, 17:44
Missed a couple of key players last time, so let's try again:
1) Lockyer - how could I miss him???
2) Carne
3) Meninga
4) Renouf
5) Hancock
6) Lewis
7) Langer
13) Moore
12) Lindner
11) Tallis
10) Backo
9) S Walters
Bella
14) Gillmiester
15) Beetson
16) Miles
17) Kevin Walters
HDP
28-02-2005, 18:10
Arthur Beetson?
Traces of Nuts
05-03-2005, 15:46
Qld have a lot more experienced players to choose from this year (barring injuries) but I reckon you have to include Hannay and Norton there somewhere.. What about Brad Thorn?
El Chino Fatman
05-03-2005, 15:59
Qld have a lot more experienced players to choose from this year (barring injuries) but I reckon you have to include Hannay and Norton there somewhere.. What about Brad Thorn?
It will depend how he adapts back to the pace and lines of the NRL. May be good for a bench spot if all goes well for him?
gilly
07-03-2005, 17:50
Qld have a lot more experienced players to choose from this year (barring injuries) but I reckon you have to include Hannay and Norton there somewhere.. What about Brad Thorn?
Watch more cowboys games and you will see that bowman is a better centre consistently than Hannay. If QLD were after a specialist goal-kicker than that is another story
magpie_man
07-03-2005, 18:45
Watch more cowboys games and you will see that bowman is a better centre consistently than Hannay. If QLD were after a specialist goal-kicker than that is another story
Lockyer seems to do a good job these days.
gilly
07-03-2005, 20:45
So most teams have named 0 wingers on the wing, Ben Ross as there starting prop and Ash Harrison to leap frog TC as the starting lock....i suppose we are even crictical of 3 main selections, and i wasn't being defensive, i was enjoying a debate about the QLD team. i love nothing more than talking about selections for any team. And anyway i have decided to swap Costigan for Kirk Reynoldson, ya can't have too many debutaunts on the bench
Yeats
08-03-2005, 09:22
They seem a bit short on wingers with the retirement of Matty Sing so I'm sure they'll be having a close look at Shannon Hegarty to see if he can hit some form. Slater did well on the wing last year and they have some real quality in the centres so maybe they'll consider using a fulltime centre on the wing.
Williams has gone well the last couple of seasons with the Cowboys so he has to be a chance but I would dearly love to see Justin Hodges make the side. I haven't had a real good laugh since last year's grand final and I still go into fits every time I remember the Origin match when he had a brain explosion and set up two Blues tries. It still has me stuffed why Bennett would want him anywhere near his club.
gilly
08-03-2005, 15:32
Wingers - Ty Williams, Scott Donald, Shannon Hegarty. Yeah we are a bit short, but i stil think it is important to play at least one winger in position. In comparison to NSW who have
Lewis, Rooney, Tahu, Grothe Jnr, Amost Roberts, Elmasri, Macdougal and Hopate.
Soleus
08-03-2005, 15:39
Watch more cowboys games and you will see that bowman is a better centre consistently than Hannay. If QLD were after a specialist goal-kicker than that is another story
hannay offers more than bowman.
bowman just isnt as attacking a centre as hannay
I Hate NSW
08-03-2005, 17:00
Watch more cowboys games and you will see that bowman is a better centre consistently than Hannay.
Always has been the better centre, if Hannay couldn't kick goals he would be playing for the Young Guns.
nathan
08-03-2005, 20:32
Always has been the better centre, if Hannay couldn't kick goals he would be playing for the Young Guns.
Thats a bit harsh, I think hes quite a good player.
I Hate NSW
08-03-2005, 20:54
Thats a bit harsh, I think hes quite a good player.
Just saying what I believe.
He's just an average player imo.
gilly
08-03-2005, 22:32
i think peopel just have this perception of bowman that he is old and slow, he looks it but he isnt - he is quite quick, very strong and has a lot of balls. Hannay is just too inconsistent in attack, but his defence is always solid.
papabear
08-03-2005, 22:38
i think peopel just have this perception of bowman that he is old and slow, he looks it but he isnt - he is quite quick, very strong and has a lot of balls. Hannay is just too inconsistent in attack, but his defence is always solid.
tate and berrigan should be in the centres anyways. IMO. I really like Bowman as a player though always gives 110% and is always there to make tackles that need to be made
BroadbanD
11-03-2005, 03:04
1. Billy Slater (Storm)
2. Karmichael Hunt (Broncos)
3. Brent Tate (Broncos)
4. Willie Tonga (Bulldogs)
5. Shannon Hegarty (Rabbitohs)
6. Darren Lockyer (Broncos)
7. Michael Witt (Sea Eagles)
8. Shane Webke (Broncos)
9. Cameron Smith (Storm)
10. Steven Price (Warriors)
11. Michael Crocker (Roosters)
12. Neville Costigan (Broncos)
13. Tonie Carroll (Broncos)
14. Matt Bowen (Cowboys)
15. Shaun Berrigan (Broncos)
16. Petero Civoneciva (Broncos)
17. Carl Webb (Cowboys)
18. David Stagg (Broncos)
HDP
11-03-2005, 06:20
tate and berrigan should be in the centres anyways. IMO. I really like Bowman as a player though always gives 110% and is always there to make tackles that need to be madeTonga?
babyG
14-03-2005, 13:54
QLD lost the origin last year because of their fowards. Too many workhorses and not enough points scorers and no second phase play. Crockers gotta go. Bring in Webb. Webke and Price will be in. Both Carrol and Harrison offer a bit better ball skills and both put in 100%. Civoneciva is a good player but should offload more. Who does that leave Carlow, Ross, Tronc. What about Villasanti.
Slater should start at No1. Bowen on Bench. Tonga left centre. Heggetty wing. I like Hunt on the wing but not sure how he'll go in defence. Toss a coin between Tate and Berrigan.
BroadbanD
14-03-2005, 20:23
Richard Villasanti a QLDer???
I dont mind if I see Rhys Wesser on one of the Wings.
vesh
14-03-2005, 20:28
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet coz I haven't looked through this thread, but I think Scott Donald should be in the Queensland squad. He is a great try scorer and would do well in Origin imo.
Chappelle
14-03-2005, 21:11
is ex cowboy Fein a QLDer?
HDP
14-03-2005, 21:15
is ex cowboy Fein a QLDer?Yeah he played in 2001 I think.
I Hate NSW
14-03-2005, 21:20
Yeah he played in 2001 I think.
Yep, Fien played 1 game in 2001, he is a Mount Isa boy.
gilly
15-03-2005, 00:06
if u saw the game on sunday i hope that made u come to your seses -admittedly bowman does not play that awesome every game but i think his impact highlighted how little hannay offers in attack. I agree with retread, if he wasnt such a great kicker he would struggle, considering we have david myles in reserve grade...
Vesh scott donald seems to be a player similar to Danny Nutley in status, both very good in there positions, name gets thrown up every now and again round rep season but never gets chosen. He would not be out of place but we do have outstanding 3/4 prospects atm
BroadbanD
15-03-2005, 07:03
Can somebody please confirm if Richard "Villa The Gorilla" Villasanti a QLDer?
Yeah Scott Donald should be in the QLD Squad. Same with Cooper Cronk.
I Hate NSW
15-03-2005, 07:17
Can somebody please confirm if Richard "Villa The Gorilla" Villasanti a QLDer?
No he is not, he qualifies to play for NSW. He was born in Canberra and played junior league in Canberra before playing with Balmain.
BroadbanD
15-03-2005, 07:28
Aw man... thanks Retread. Does anybody here thinks Cooper Cronk should be in the QLD SOO Squad?? He should replace Chris Flannery on the bench.
Also, can someone please confirm if Tim Smith of Parra a QLDer. Thanks heaps
Cozroy
15-03-2005, 09:49
Does anybody on this threat look like they give a damn about those mongols in the sky blue jerseys?
Don't know why I added that to this thread, they are working me too hard. Sorry about that.
P.S. The thread is a waste of time because you will lose anyway.
gilly
15-03-2005, 17:28
tim smith is a QLDer, one day cooper may make it, but not yet. there are a fair few players ahead of him and it is a waste having to utilities on the bench, with bowen being a probable.
russ13
15-03-2005, 20:04
I haven't read all the posts on this thread but I think the SOO team should go with specialist wingers. Scot Donald & Dustin Cooper are showing good form at the moment.
BroadbanD
15-03-2005, 22:41
Dustin Cooper, Scott Donald, Craig Frawley, Craig Hall, Karmichael Hunt, Ty Williams, Leon Bott, Shannon Hegarty and Rod Jensen are all good wingers.
Did I miss anyone?
Yeats
15-03-2005, 22:53
I'm not sure if Bott will qualify under the rules because he was raised in the Canterbury area of Sydney. It depends on what the authorities classify as a senior game.
BroadbanD
16-03-2005, 00:05
If Billy Slater or Rhys Wesser gets the nod for QLD #1, I wouldnt be suprised
to see Karmichael Hunt in a NZ Jersey this year. Which is not a bad thing when it comes to Tests Matches. NZ needs all the players they can get.
Unless, Karmichael Hunt doesnt really want to play for NZ.
Yeats
16-03-2005, 00:31
So do you think Matty Bowen's only hope is on the bench?
If I had my choice I'd take him over the lot of them at the moment.
BroadbanD
16-03-2005, 00:46
Im sure NSW will have Craig Wing on the bench as an Impact Player.
We have Matty Bowen on ours... or if you like, put Matty Bowen at
Full Back and Billy Slater on the bench. Rhys Wesser may be good at
club level.. I dont know bout SOO level.
#1 Matty Bowen
#15 Billy Slater
I Hate NSW
16-03-2005, 07:37
Matty Bowen's best place is on the bench
Pat Bateman
16-03-2005, 09:08
Dustin Cooper, Scott Donald, Craig Frawley, Craig Hall, Karmichael Hunt, Ty Williams, Leon Bott, Shannon Hegarty and Rod Jensen are all good wingers.
Did I miss anyone?
Hunt is not a winger, he will be picked at fullback or on the bench.
At Origin they tend to pick 17 players they think are the best or in the best form and then slot them into positions hence Slater playing on the wing last year. If they have more than one quality fullback like Qld do, the selectors will chuck one on the wing.
While Donald, Williams, Hegarty et al are good players, the Qld backline (2,3,4,5) will be made up of Tate, Berrigan, Tonga, Slater, Bowen ,possibly Hodges. Fullback will be Bowen/Hunt/Wesser.
Soleus
16-03-2005, 09:19
Hunt is not a winger, he will be picked at fullback or on the bench.
At Origin they tend to pick 17 players they think are the best or in the best form and then slot them into positions hence Slater playing on the wing last year. If they have more than one quality fullback like Qld do, the selectors will chuck one on the wing.
the bench will only have one back on it....bowen or hunt. The other three will be forwards
gilly
16-03-2005, 09:41
did u see how much bowman outplayed Berro and Tate in Rnd 1. I know it is only 1 game but i am just saying don't throw him out of calculations. Bott is only eligible for NSW.
So do you think Matty Bowen's only hope is on the bench?
If I had my choice I'd take him over the lot of them at the moment.
I am with you on that, i think he offers more than the other contenders, although him and slater are almost neck and neck in my mind after his performance in Rnd 1. I also think he is pretty much a certainty for at least bench.
Hunt is not a winger, he will be picked at fullback or on the bench.
At Origin they tend to pick 17 players they think are the best or in the best form and then slot them into positions hence Slater playing on the wing last year.
Make sense of that please, slater a fullback, who is not a winger, was picked at wing, so Khunt a fullback, has no chance of being picked at wing, even if he is in the best form. what value would he offer off the bench, fullback only....
Pat Bateman
16-03-2005, 10:26
Make sense of that please, slater a fullback, who is not a winger, was picked at wing, so Khunt a fullback, has no chance of being picked at wing, even if he is in the best form. what value would he offer off the bench, fullback only....
What i meant was that Hunt is not the kind of fullback that can play wing. He is being groomed to move into a lock position at the broncos, not stay in the backs. Look at Lockyer when he was at fullback, would you have looked at him as a wing option?
Slater played well on the wing last year, i've no reason as to why he wouldn't be there again. Hunt will not be the other wing player.
Soleus, i meant to say that Hunt will be fullback, on the bench or not at all. I agree that there will only be one back on the bench.
gilly
16-03-2005, 11:16
ok, please please watch the whole origin series again, and you will Slater attacked well, and was absolutely hopeless in defence, a disgrace IMO. Compare Lockyer and Hunt?
Lockyer was a creative fullback, was fast but not the best acceleration, not much of a step but more of an awesome swerve. Hunt accelrates very well, has a step and a fend and is great under the highball, no matter what he is being groomed as in 5 years, what he is now, i think he would be a very good winger.
Pat Bateman
16-03-2005, 11:41
ok, please please watch the whole origin series again, and you will Slater attacked well, and was absolutely hopeless in defence, a disgrace IMO. Compare Lockyer and Hunt?
Lockyer was a creative fullback, was fast but not the best acceleration, not much of a step but more of an awesome swerve. Hunt accelrates very well, has a step and a fend and is great under the highball, no matter what he is being groomed as in 5 years, what he is now, i think he would be a very good winger.
Looks like we will have to agree to disagree.
I personally think Hunt would be lost out on the wing and would be behind other not specialist wingers such as Slater, Tonga or Tate.
I do think Hunt is more of a creative player with a solid kicking game and like Lockyer has the good acceleration but not blistering pace of a winger.
Your argument is good though, just have to wait to see what the selectors think.
gilly
28-03-2005, 09:11
My knew team after round 3.
1. Rhys Wesser - he is back to form of 2003
2. Ty Williams - is outplaying Sing in Attack atm
3. Sean Berrigan
4. Paul Bowman
5. Willie Tonga
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince - Thurston and Seymour are sooo close but
8. Shane Webke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Brad Thorn
12. Carl Webb
13. Tonie Carrol
14. Shane Tronc
15. Petero Civoniciva
16. Corey Parker / Rod Jensen
17. Matt Bowen
Alot of cowobys i know, but i picked the ones who are in eye-catching form.
It concerns me we do not have too many back-rowers, i personaly think crocker, flannery and carlaw are useless, thus my team has a lot of props. But charlie and Parker can play both and to an extent civo...
HDP
28-03-2005, 09:16
I think Willy Tonga, of whom I am a massive fan, doesn't have the form to make it ATM. Even on the wing it would be hard to pick him before Slater.
melon....
28-03-2005, 10:20
Is Jensen a QLDer...becasuse Id have him in there before Carrol, Crocker Thorn and Carlaw.
melon....
28-03-2005, 10:21
My knew team after round 3.
1. Rhys Wesser - he is back to form of 2003
2. Ty Williams - is outplaying Sing in Attack atm
3. Sean Berrigan
4. Paul Bowman
5. Willie Tonga
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince - Thurston and Seymour are sooo close but
8. Shane Webke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Brad Thorn
12. Carl Webb
13. Tonie Carrol
14. Shane Tronc
15. Petero Civoniciva
16. Corey Parker / Rod Jensen
17. Matt Bowen
Alot of cowobys i know, but i picked the ones who are in eye-catching form.
It concerns me we do not have too many back-rowers, i personaly think crocker, flannery and carlaw are useless, thus my team has a lot of props. But charlie and Parker can play both and to an extent civo...
Id play lockyer at fullback with Thurston in at 5/8 and Prince at half.
Yeats
28-03-2005, 10:38
Queensland have some of the best fullbacks in the competition and the world's best player at five-eighth and you want to change all that to put Jonathon Thurston in the number six?
Thurston has played very well in the three games so far this year but that's a long way away from being good enough to move Lockyer from his position. I'd want the best player in the team touching the ball more than any other player.
BroadbanD
28-03-2005, 11:20
How bout Thurston at #7 if not #15. He gotta be in the team. Same with Carl Webb.
gilly
28-03-2005, 12:11
I know Jensen is a QLDer, i think he is from rockhampton, but....i am unsure of who he is eligible to play for as i think he started with Adelaide or Hunter and then moved to canberra.
After the cowboys game, i would have put thurston at 7, but after the tigers game, you just can't move an incumbent who plays like that. No way in the world Webb will miss out, unless he has a mishap last year like Chris Walker....
I Hate NSW
28-03-2005, 12:17
Jensen is a born and bred North Queenslander.
Born in Cairns, played for Ravenshoe.
gilly
28-03-2005, 12:25
well there you go, but where is ravenshoe?
I Hate NSW
28-03-2005, 12:30
well there you go, but where is ravenshoe?
Atherton Tablelands NQ
Seagullfan1#
28-03-2005, 17:43
change of heart thanks to retread
Bowen at fullback, slater and hunt on wings (maybe the bronco's winger tupou if he's eligible and plays well). Tonga and Hannay in the centres.
Tupou is stuck in the Clydesdales and when was the last time they took someone from Queensland Cup stright into Origin.
Seagullfan1#
28-03-2005, 17:47
Dustin Cooper, Scott Donald, Craig Frawley, Craig Hall, Karmichael Hunt, Ty Williams, Leon Bott, Shannon Hegarty and Rod Jensen are all good wingers.
Did I miss anyone?
You are calling Leon Bott a good winger. He has played three games so far. Lets wait until he has a bit of experince under his belt. Just because he has speed doesn't mean he is a good winger. He didn't have a clue in defence up against Ty Williams against the Cowboys.
Prince EWS
28-03-2005, 18:15
1. Clinton Schifcofske
2. Scott Donald
3. Willie Tonga
4. Brent Tate
5. Billy Slater
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Nathan Fien
10. Steven Price
11. Carl Webb
12. David Stagg
13. Tonie Carroll
14. Petero Civoniceva
15. Ben Ross
16. Brad Thorn
17. Matt Bowen
BroadbanD
28-03-2005, 18:53
Leon Bott is a good winger. Not the best... there are heaps of good wingers in the NRL. Too bad Leon Bott is not a QLDer. Or is he??
1. Billy Slater
7. Jonathon Thurston
11. David Stagg
14. Matt Bowen
15. Shaun Berrigan
16. Carl Webb
17. Ben Ross
Meanie
28-03-2005, 23:18
Why do people put players on their rep teams on the basis of ONE good game?
Prince EWS
28-03-2005, 23:24
Why do people put players on their rep teams on the basis of ONE good game?
Becuase otherwise, Pat Gibson would make it every time.
papabear
28-03-2005, 23:35
1. Clinton Schifcofske
2. Scott Donald
3. Willie Tonga
4. Brent Tate
5. Billy Slater
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Nathan Fien
10. Steven Price
11. Carl Webb
12. David Stagg
13. Tonie Carroll
14. Petero Civoniceva
15. Ben Ross
16. Brad Thorn
17. Matt Bowen
drop scott donald and put tonga on the wing and berrigan in the centres.
otherwise good team
Prince EWS
28-03-2005, 23:41
drop scott donald and put tonga on the wing and berrigan in the centres.
otherwise good team
Yeah I was struggling for that wing spot really. Had to put Donald in there.
I havent seen much of Tonga on the wing, but he could be good there. Ive seen Tate there, and despite his pace, his positional play is awful to say the least, so he was out of the question.
babyG
29-03-2005, 11:58
Based on what we've seen so far that good news is that the teams that made up the NSW team last year are either injured or playing crap ie. Dragons, Roosters. My new Team.
1. Slater - try scoring machine, more quality than Wessor. Set plays with Lockyer would be brilliant.
2. Tonga - Ty Williams is good also.
3. Hannay - we need a kicker. Lockyer is getting worse.
4. Tate - back to test form. Could alternative with Tonga on wing.
5. Maybe Hunt (rather he go to NZ). or Hegaty.
6. Lockyer - will be the match winner.
7. Prince was great on Sunday
8. Price
9. Smith
10. Webke
11. Webb
12. Stagg - to take the workload for the others to make impact.
13. Carroll or Harrison
14. Thorn for more size
15. Bowen
16. Thursten
17. Jensen if he's a Qld.
I agree that Flannery, crocker and carlor are useless.
I Hate NSW
29-03-2005, 12:04
17. Jensen if he's a Qld.
I have a feeling he is a Queenslander.
Soleus
29-03-2005, 12:13
slater will be fullback
Lockyer will be 5/8
Seymour will be halfback
Webb will be prop
Webcke will be prop
Smith will be the hooker
Tonga will be a center
Berrigan will be a center
TC will be lock
I Hate NSW
29-03-2005, 12:26
1. Billy Slater
2. Ty Williams
3. Paul Bowman
4. Brent Tate
5. Willie Tonga
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steven Price
11. Carl Webb
12. Brad Thorn
13. Tonie Carroll
14. Petero Civoniceva
15. David Stagg
16. Shane Tronc
17. Matt Bowen
Hancock02
29-03-2005, 12:33
1. Billy Slater
2. Ty Williams
3. Paul Bowman
4. Brent Tate
5. Willie Tonga
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steven Price
11. Carl Webb
12. Brad Thorn
13. Tonie Carroll
14. Petero Civoniceva
15. David Stagg
16. Shane Tronc
17. Matt Bowen
I'm a big fan of that team. Might swap Stagg and Carroll as I think Carroll would have more of a impact off the bench in short spurts.
Cow-der
29-03-2005, 12:36
1. Bowen
2. Tate
3. Bowman
4. Berrigan
5. Slater
6. Lockyer (c)
7. Seymour
8. Webcke
9. C. Smith - gk
10. Price
11. Civoniceva
12. Flannery
13. Stagg
14. Ross
15. Carlaw
16. C. Webb
17. Hunt
This is the team to pick to beat NSW this year. I had trouble leaving out;
T. Williams, Carroll, Tonga.
Almost picked Carroll (the main reason I rated Stagg above him is they are similar type players and didn't like the balance of the team with both in, Stagg playing with veterans like Price/Webcke who are possibly in their last year of rep footy can only enhance his future Origin career) on the bench instead of Carlaw, but love the balance of this bench as I feel Carlaw & Webb running at tired defences off the interchange bench would be a huge advantage for QLD. I don't think Tonga is playing as well as the plethora of QLD centres and love the attitude Berrigan brings to the table plus am a huge Bowman fan (he is without doubt the most underated player in the NR . Ty just on the fringes, had to pick Slater on the wing because he performed well there last year, & while I think he isn't the safest player in the world have to have him in the team and prefer him on the wing than at fullback. This also opens up the door for Bowen to make a well deserved run on debut and put Hunt as the reserve back who can make an impact off the bench. The 3 big fellas starting (Webcke, Price, Civoniceva) can lay the foundation for a good start and with quick, hard working backrowers like Flannery & Stagg the balance still looks good.
Couldn't find room for Hannay or Costigan but rate both highly, prefer them next year. Had no qualms leaving out Crocker, he is an Origin type player but he gives away too many penalties and leaving him out this year could be the wake up call he needs (we can only hope)
Picked Tate on the wing because he has to be there & imo he plays better with more touches, he'd get plenty of kick returns & dummy half runs from the wing & I personally feel he could be an even better winger than centre. Didn't want to pick the likes of J. Smith or Thorn, can't see the benefit when we have more than capable players who are the future of the team. I rate Seymour a better player for halfback than Prince or Thurston.
This is only one man's opinion, loved reading all the teams & would appreciate any comments or constructive criticism. Cheers. (P.S. If they picked this team they'd definately win, lol).
Soleus
29-03-2005, 12:40
Crowder
No dramas leaving out Costigan, he is suspended anyway (qld cup) for a long time.
Crocker is a waste. As you said, hot head, but no discipline (on or OFF the field!)
Hannay could make it, can kick goals. Smith can kick, but is erratic. Hannay is a 70-80% kicker.
Dane Carlaw is 1000000s to make it. Put TC on the bench
BroadbanD
29-03-2005, 18:52
1. Billy Slater (Cowboys)
2. Ty Williams (Cowboys)
3. Josh Hannay (Cowboys)
4. Willie Tonga (Bulldogs)
5. Shannon Hegarty (Rabbitohs)
6. Darren Lockyer (Broncos)
7. Scott Prince (Tigers)
8. Shane Webke (Broncos)
9. Cameron Smith (Storm)
10. Steven Price (Warriors)
11. Jason Smith (Raiders)
12. David Stagg (Broncos)
13. Tonie Caroll (Broncos)
14. Matt Bowen (Cowboys)
15. Jonathon Thurston (Cowboys)
16. Carl Webb (Cowboys)
17. Ben Ross (Panthers)
18. Casey McGuire (Broncos)
I Hate NSW
29-03-2005, 18:54
1. Billy Slater (Cowboys)
When is Slater coming to the Cowboys?
skeepe
30-03-2005, 10:07
1. Clinton Schifcofske
2. Billy Slater
3. Brent Tate
4. Paul Bowman
5. Ty Williams
6. Darren Lockyer
7. Scott Prince
8. Shane Webcke
9. Cameron Smith
10. Steve Price
11. Petero Civoniceva
12. Chris Flannery
13. Ashley Harrison
14. Shaun Berrigan
15. Jason Smith
16. Carl Webb
17. Ben Ross
Guru
30-03-2005, 11:51
Tonga is the current test centre yet after 3 games some of you are leaving him out of the squad altogether.. *shakes head*.. I hope the selectors have longer memories then some of you lads.
Hancock02
30-03-2005, 12:35
They are naming the 25 best Qld and NSW players today, they have got all the selectors from the 25 years of Origin to pick the two squads. It will be named at the Rep season launch happening at Lang Park today. All rep coaches will be there excpet for Bellamy who is staying Melbourne.
BroadbanD
31-03-2005, 01:03
Oops! Hehehe.. I had Matt Bowen at #1. But I instead changed it to Billy Slater. We need someone who has an impact off the bench like Craig Wing of NSW. Matt Bowen at #14 if not, Karlmichael Hunt.
babyG
31-03-2005, 08:49
Good call putting Jason Smith in the team. I think he might be a bolter. Maybe good on the bench. It's a slow ageing forward pack though, but could work.
1. Billy Slater (Storm)
2. Ty Williams (Cowboys)
3. Josh Hannay (Cowboys)
4. Willie Tonga (Bulldogs)
5. Shannon Hegarty (Rabbitohs)
6. Darren Lockyer (Broncos)
7. Scott Prince (Tigers)
8. Shane Webke (Broncos)
9. Cameron Smith (Storm)
10. Steven Price (Warriors)
11. Jason Smith (Raiders)
12. David Stagg (Broncos)
13. Tonie Caroll (Broncos)
14. Matt Bowen (Cowboys)
15. Jonathon Thurston (Cowboys)
16. Carl Webb (Cowboys)
17. Ben Ross (Panthers)
18. Casey McGuire (Broncos)
Guru
31-03-2005, 13:29
there is no way josh hannay will get in the side over brent tate and shaun berrigan..
also where it petro?
Me thinks someone is slightly favouring cowboys players
BroadbanD
31-03-2005, 14:56
I have Hannay in there coz he's playing well both in attack and in defence. Also, he's a very good goal kicker. If Steven Price dont get picked in the team, I'm sure Petero will be the #10. Jason Smith has to be in the team. Maybe this year will be his last State Of Origin Series. Same with Shane Webke.
Stereo
31-03-2005, 15:06
I have Hannay in there coz he's playing well both in attack and in defence. Also, he's a very good goal kicker. If Steven Price dont get picked in the team, I'm sure Petero will be the #10. Jason Smith has to be in the team. Maybe this year will be his last State Of Origin Series. Same with Shane Webke.this is J.S last year...he signed just a one year contract.....as for Josh Hannay.most overrated kicker in the comp imo....who is better?
Riddell
El Masri
Johns
Schifcofske
Fitzgibbon
Possibly Matt Orford
Hannay would be a a bad choice if chosen on that merit only
Prince EWS
31-03-2005, 16:11
Hanny has a fine kicking technique, but somehow his percentage is very low.
I think it can be attributed to a few things.
1. His kicking early in his career was poor. He had a totally different technique as he was basically a poor kicker. This lowers his overall percentage.
2. He seems to kick poorly at the start of the season for some reason, and then warm to the task as the year goes on.
3. Hes the unluckiest kicker I have ever seen! He alwys strikes them well, and they are never complete shokers, but he misses so many by a wisker that it isnt funny!
Silver_Haired_Devil
31-03-2005, 16:15
Riddell is not a better kicker than Hannay!
MarkZ
31-03-2005, 16:21
Possibly Matt Orford
Your theory went a little of the rails with that one.
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:21
Riddell is not a better kicker than Hannay!
Riddell is a high 70's kicker when in form
Prince EWS
31-03-2005, 16:22
Riddell is not a better kicker than Hannay!
From memory, his career percentage is higher...
Soleus
31-03-2005, 16:24
i have no problem with alot of NQ players in the origin team. The less broncos in the team the better.
Sure i want them to represent, but at what cost? I want the broncos to win the comp this yr. ITs been toooo long between premierships, and Brisbane DO have the team to win it
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:25
Your theory went a little of the rails with that one.
now ill agree he has an inferior technique....Hannay has an incredible technique...but his percentages are low......
Maybe Luke Covell instead of Matt Orford
Silver_Haired_Devil
31-03-2005, 16:26
Neither is Orford or Schif come to think of it.
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:29
i have no problem with alot of NQ players in the origin team. The less broncos in the team the better.
Sure i want them to represent, but at what cost? I want the broncos to win the comp this yr. ITs been toooo long between premierships, and Brisbane DO have the team to win it
the longest wait since they entered.......Broncos fans are spoilt...
Silver_Haired_Devil
31-03-2005, 16:30
We're talking about the QLD origin team that's about to be selected, i think it's fair to say right now Riddell is a fairly poor kicker and Hannay's doing well.
Soleus
31-03-2005, 16:32
the longest wait since they entered.......Broncos fans are spoilt...
that we are...that we are
little stat : IF shane webcke plays all 3 games in origin he will equal gary larsons record of 24 games in row.
Larson 1991-1998 24 games
Webcke 1998-2004 21 games
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:40
even though Raiders fans have gone without for a while.....i dont like em any less without getting the title.....i used to worry when Canberras run ended i would fade away as a supporter.....certainly not
Yeats
31-03-2005, 16:42
I hope he gets there. The man is a terrific footballer and a dead-set walking advertisement for the game away from the field.
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:45
oh dont get me wrong...Hannay and Bowman are excellent centres....i do enjoy watching both play....but choosing him only due to goalkicking isnt right because its not like he hits em with his eyes closed or anything...good goalkicker but i think he gets talked up a little to much but thats opinion....i knew i would get some that disagree but its still my opinion
Stereo
31-03-2005, 16:50
a list of top kickers this year.....
Hodgson 100
El Masri 88
Williams 87
Covell 82
Witt 82
Jones 81
Orford 80
Fitzgibbon 79
Schifcofske 75
Campbell 73
Hannay 65
Burt 62
this is just what i notice...he was 69.8 % last year i think....just good....but doesnt always hit them like he is being talked about
Soleus
31-03-2005, 16:58
I hope he gets there. The man is a terrific footballer and a dead-set walking advertisement for the game away from the field.
so true
Away from the field and when interviewed he speaks soooooooo well and doesnt mess about.
There have not been too many props, let alone players who have ever spoken the way he does.
Stereo...raiders will get there...one day!
Silver_Haired_Devil
31-03-2005, 16:58
"What's your favourite food?"
"STEAK."
Prince EWS
31-03-2005, 17:49
a list of top kickers
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THE DAWN
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Feb 23, 2007 5:25 am
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Listen to the Exhortation of the Dawn!
Look to this Day!
For it is Life, the very Life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the
Verities and Realities of your Existence.
The Bliss of Growth,
The Glory of Action,
The Splendor of Beauty;
For Yesterday is but a Dream,
And To-morrow is only a Vision;
But To-day well lived makes
Every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,
And every Tomorrow a Vision of Hope.
Look well therefore to this Day!
Such is the Salutation of the Dawn!
*BY KALIDASA
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YOUR LATEST TRICK
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Feb 20, 2007 5:07 am
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All the late night bargains have been struck
Between the satin beaus and their belles
And prehistoric garbage trucks
Got the city to themselves
Echoes roars dinosaurs
They're all doing the monster mash
And most of the taxis, most of the whores
Are only taking calls for cash
I don't know how it happened
It all took place so quick
But all I can do is hand it to you
And your latest trick
My door was standing open
Security was laid back and lax
But it was only my heart got broken
You must have had a pass key made out of wax
You played robbery with insolence
And I played the blues in twelve bars down Lover's Lane
And you never did have the intelligence to use
The twelve keys hanging off my chain
I don't know how it happened
It all took place so quick
But all I can do is hand it to you
And your latest trick
Now it's past last call for alcohol
Past recall has been here and gone
The landlord he finally paid us all
The satin jazzmen have put away their horns
And we're standing outside of this wonderland
Looking so bereaved and so bereft
Like a Bowery bum when he finally understands
The bottle's empty and there's nothing left
I don't know how it happened
It was faster than the eye could flick
But all I can do is hand it to you
And your latest trick
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Climb every mountain
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Feb 17, 2007 3:39 am
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As a part of taking classes to some students I had make them watch the movie "the sound of music"
and these words keeps on coming to my mind again and again
Climb every mountain, search high and low
Follow every by way, every path you know
Climb every mountain, ford every stream
Follow every rainbow, till you find your dream
A dream that will need, all the love you can give
Everyday of your life, for as long as you live
Climb every mountain, ford every stream
Follow every rainbow, till you find your dream
A dream that will need, all the love you can give
Everyday of your life, for as long as you live
Climb every mountain, ford every stream
Follow every rainbow, till you find your... dream...
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